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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look quickly on the reference. It looks interesting for styluses, but I want to make it possible to use the fingers instead.</description>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay - sounds exciting. I haven&#039;t tried with the manual handles - I&#039;ve just accepted it doesn&#039;t work yet, and started playing around with other things :-).

Please let me know how it goes with the new flashing.

No, no dictionary yet, just the n-times pressing results in the n-th letter on the key (22 results in a etc). But a dictionary is certainly in the roadmap! I&#039;d have to make some researches regarding patents (T9 is patented AFAIK). But I image something like keeping the two pressings to get a &quot;b&quot;, and then all words with starting-letter &quot;b&quot; shows up - a bit like T9, but now exactly.

I&#039;m think about using using something like this:
http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/vocfreq.html
(see http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/1-2000.txt - sorted by beginning letter etc.).

I&#039;ll have a look on your reference tonight - thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay - sounds exciting. I haven't tried with the manual handles - I've just accepted it doesn't work yet, and started playing around with other things <img src='http://www.scienco.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Please let me know how it goes with the new flashing.</p>
<p>No, no dictionary yet, just the n-times pressing results in the n-th letter on the key (22 results in a etc). But a dictionary is certainly in the roadmap! I'd have to make some researches regarding patents (T9 is patented AFAIK). But I image something like keeping the two pressings to get a "b", and then all words with starting-letter "b" shows up - a bit like T9, but now exactly.</p>
<p>I'm think about using using something like this:<br />
<a href="http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/vocfreq.html" rel="nofollow">http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/vocfreq.html</a><br />
(see <a href="http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/1-2000.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www1.harenet.ne.jp/~waring/vocab/wordlists/1-2000.txt</a> - sorted by beginning letter etc.).</p>
<p>I'll have a look on your reference tonight - thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: miki</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know what makes the difference about dialing yet, with the 20070917 official images, I was able (using libgsm-tool on the command line, not the ui dialer) to dial a number after some fiddling with the /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm/(power_on&#124;reset) handes.

I even managed to dial in to the phone once, with the gui responding (I didn&#039;t manage to pick it up before the call was diverted to voice mail though).

With scaredycats unoffcial 20071005 (just openmoko-devel- not his modified scredycat-) images it seems like the modem isn&#039;t powered up, no ET phone home....

I&#039;m flashing his 20071008 scaredycat rootfs image right now to test some more...

A better keypad would sure be nice, the current is not finger friendly at-all... Is it something T9 like you mean by good old ones?

Theres also some rather exciting alternative text input ideas in the thread at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000508.html. 

Mikkel,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't know what makes the difference about dialing yet, with the 20070917 official images, I was able (using libgsm-tool on the command line, not the ui dialer) to dial a number after some fiddling with the /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm/(power_on|reset) handes.</p>
<p>I even managed to dial in to the phone once, with the gui responding (I didn't manage to pick it up before the call was diverted to voice mail though).</p>
<p>With scaredycats unoffcial 20071005 (just openmoko-devel- not his modified scredycat-) images it seems like the modem isn't powered up, no ET phone home....</p>
<p>I'm flashing his 20071008 scaredycat rootfs image right now to test some more...</p>
<p>A better keypad would sure be nice, the current is not finger friendly at-all... Is it something T9 like you mean by good old ones?</p>
<p>Theres also some rather exciting alternative text input ideas in the thread at <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000508.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000508.html</a>. </p>
<p>Mikkel,</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave up trying to build it entirely - my computer is too slow. Instead I&#039;m just developing directly on Ubuntu for now - and hoping I&#039;ll figure something out.

I haven&#039;t looked at the charging neither.

But I did look a bit on the gsm-part, and no, it&#039;s not working at all. I haven&#039;t tried to hack with it yet, though. So no dialling at all. I&#039;m a bit confused why somebody can dial and others not? Do you know?

Instead I&#039;ve started developing a keypad which can be used be fingers instead of the stylus. There&#039;s no dictionary in it yet, but it&#039;s soon working like the good old ones :-) Personally I think I would be nice to be able to chose such a keypad instead of the one requiring the stylus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave up trying to build it entirely - my computer is too slow. Instead I'm just developing directly on Ubuntu for now - and hoping I'll figure something out.</p>
<p>I haven't looked at the charging neither.</p>
<p>But I did look a bit on the gsm-part, and no, it's not working at all. I haven't tried to hack with it yet, though. So no dialling at all. I'm a bit confused why somebody can dial and others not? Do you know?</p>
<p>Instead I've started developing a keypad which can be used be fingers instead of the stylus. There's no dictionary in it yet, but it's soon working like the good old ones <img src='http://www.scienco.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Personally I think I would be nice to be able to chose such a keypad instead of the one requiring the stylus.</p>
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		<title>By: miki</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve been building images for QEMU during summer on around 6 GiB (with the trick that causes it to rm work files when done), but something changed recently.

With sufficent diskspace, time is your friend... Even on old-timers ;)

I haven&#039;t had much progress, functionality-wise, during weekeend. But I&#039;ve gaines some experiences about deep discharge (~15 mins charge at pre (100mA) is enough to be able to go into uboot and choose fast charge (when added)), and done some code analysis on the gsmd/ libgsm/dialer/openmoko-panel-gsm relationship to try to make any sense out of the completely-no-response-from-modem status I&#039;ve had on the 20071005 images...

When you say &quot;seems to work&quot; does that also include gsm (ie dialling is possible)?

Mikkel,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I've been building images for QEMU during summer on around 6 GiB (with the trick that causes it to rm work files when done), but something changed recently.</p>
<p>With sufficent diskspace, time is your friend... Even on old-timers <img src='http://www.scienco.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I haven't had much progress, functionality-wise, during weekeend. But I've gaines some experiences about deep discharge (~15 mins charge at pre (100mA) is enough to be able to go into uboot and choose fast charge (when added)), and done some code analysis on the gsmd/ libgsm/dialer/openmoko-panel-gsm relationship to try to make any sense out of the completely-no-response-from-modem status I've had on the 20071005 images...</p>
<p>When you say "seems to work" does that also include gsm (ie dialling is possible)?</p>
<p>Mikkel,</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, agree. Let&#039;s keep it national until more people sees the light :-).

I haven&#039;t set up an entire build environment - both because it&#039;s requiring roughly 12 GB and because I&#039;m having a laptop where it approximately would take 1-2 days to build. So I just think I&#039;m saving up for a monster of a computer, but that&#039;s quite hard when studying.

Thanks for the tip about matchbox. I&#039;ve tried with
&lt;code&gt;/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart&lt;/code&gt;
but this didn&#039;t work. Actually it just stopped X and never got it started again (if I did it directly from the phone - I remember on the other hand that doing it through SSH sometimes worked).

Thanks - and you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, agree. Let's keep it national until more people sees the light <img src='http://www.scienco.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I haven't set up an entire build environment - both because it's requiring roughly 12 GB and because I'm having a laptop where it approximately would take 1-2 days to build. So I just think I'm saving up for a monster of a computer, but that's quite hard when studying.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip about matchbox. I've tried with<br />
<code>/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart</code><br />
but this didn't work. Actually it just stopped X and never got it started again (if I did it directly from the phone - I remember on the other hand that doing it through SSH sometimes worked).</p>
<p>Thanks - and you too.</p>
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		<title>By: miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine with the Denmark local group, doesn&#039;t make much sense to have 3 groups for 4 people, so maybe we should ditch the others until it gets more crowded in the DK group.

Hmm, I used the same kernel, but an older official rootfs image (from 20070917). I can see that there&#039;s even a build from 20071005 now, better give it a try. 

I have a build system running on my laptop, but after they began using some stuff from Qtopia it fetches the complete tarball and I ran out of freaking diskspace (moko: 6.6 GiB), so I can&#039;t do a custom build right now, dammit. Got to do some housecleaning...

I have had the same experience with tray icons disappearing from the panel. What I see is that the matchbox-panel-2 process goes defunct, but you can restart just the panel by issuing the matchbox-panel-2 command line found in /etc/matchbox/session (set env DISPLAY=:0 to make it work).

Have fun!

Mikkel,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine with the Denmark local group, doesn't make much sense to have 3 groups for 4 people, so maybe we should ditch the others until it gets more crowded in the DK group.</p>
<p>Hmm, I used the same kernel, but an older official rootfs image (from 20070917). I can see that there's even a build from 20071005 now, better give it a try. </p>
<p>I have a build system running on my laptop, but after they began using some stuff from Qtopia it fetches the complete tarball and I ran out of freaking diskspace (moko: 6.6 GiB), so I can't do a custom build right now, dammit. Got to do some housecleaning...</p>
<p>I have had the same experience with tray icons disappearing from the panel. What I see is that the matchbox-panel-2 process goes defunct, but you can restart just the panel by issuing the matchbox-panel-2 command line found in /etc/matchbox/session (set env DISPLAY=:0 to make it work).</p>
<p>Have fun!</p>
<p>Mikkel,</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the icons in the tray is not showed before I &lt;code&gt;/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the icons in the tray is not showed before I <code>/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart</code></p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just flashed with these images from [1], and it seems to work:
uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin
OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071001-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

[1]: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've just flashed with these images from [1], and it seems to work:<br />
uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin<br />
OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071001-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2</p>
<p>[1]: <a href="http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D" rel="nofollow">http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Meyer Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.scienco.org/2007/neo-1973-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Meyer Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve btw. made http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Denmark and added, hope it&#039;s okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've btw. made <a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Denmark" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Denmark</a> and added, hope it's okay.</p>
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